Meeting More Ladies off the internet!

datingMeeting people is never a bad thing as I’m always looking to gain experience in social situations with different types of people and hopefully improve my confidence.

I’ve now probably met dozens of people through the net- many of which are girls through dating sites and have been quite lucky to have had these experiences compared to my parent’s generation where there was no internet, or technophobes who don’t want to or think about using the net to meet people in real life.

For someone who spends most of this days indoors and shying away from anything remotely out of the ordinary, I first wish to congratulate myself for getting out, going to Hayes and meeting a very different type of girl.

O:

Ironically, O’s not very typical of most Japanese I’m familiar with- very outgoing and impolite at times though extroverted ignorance.
Physically she was a big disappointment when I saw her in the flesh compared to her photo. Yet there is something sexy about her and can’t put my finger on it. Perhaps her outgoing personality or asian/exotic looks?
Style-wise, I’ve seen worse, but I wasn’t impressed. Particularly at the fact she wore no make-up and a stained pair of tights! I made a lot of effort to wear nice things, clean my shoes and style my hair, so was gutted she hadn’t presented herself better. Apparently she’s into platform heels! Woulda loved to see her in some! Lol
The good thing is, she’s bright, fun, light hearted and up-beat. In one way her extroverted ignorance is good because she can’t read my inner insecurities. Hanging around with someone like that would probably do me good to balance me out and learn to effectively communicate with a different type.
Other than being incapable of appreciating her thinking and vice versa, her ‘ESTP’ abruptness and spontaneous outbursts are annoying and at times hurtful, even though I know she doesn’t mean to do it. She’s pretty inconsiderate and that’s totally not what I need from a relationship when I’m so insecure and self conscious. Because of her inconsiderate nature, she’s a pretty poor communicator despite the confidence.
Because she’s a do-er and very busy, she’s taken A LOT of action and got good at a lot of things- pro level at sports, music, business, languages and even winning at gambling, making money! It’s SERIOUSLY intimidating and makes me feel like a failure in comparison. What can I do- draw a half decent picture when I put my mind to it?
From her, and previous dates I learned:
  • That I value style and making an effort with one’s appearance- especially in women.
  • Femininity is important to me and anything that accentuates and outwardly expresses this is cool/sexy – make up, dresses, heels, hand bags, long hair.
  • However, I dislike girlie or bimbo attitudes. Instead I am MASSIVELY into hot, sexy, feminine  girls who love geeky male stuff like video games and scifi. They exist but are exceptionally rare!
  • I am a great listener, great at making people feel comfortable, have a decent set of social skills and am very considerate, kind and emotionally giving as a person.
  • I am not like many of these girls ex boyfriends who are described as narcissistic, aggressive, arseholes!
  • Some personalities don’t like deep chats, so I don’t bother having them. I just keep these people as peripheral friends.
  • I would often make a better boyfriend than they would a girlfriend.
  • I feel I come across and behave A LOT better than how I think I will be like beforehand.
  • I need to chill out, be in the moment and concentrate on fun more

Meeting ladies off the internet

dating#1 Miss P

2pm: I met with a fellow depression & anxiety sufferer from the site Nolongerlonely.com. She was 6 years older and lives two hours away. Originally from Slovakia, she’s lived in the UK for 10 years. It’s always a tiny bit unsettling when I talk to non-natives as I suspect certain words and jokes might get lost in translation. I try to be conscious of this and also speak a little slower and more clearly.

Before we met I never saw her as potential girlfriend material and after meeting that was definitely confirmed. I guess she might like me in that way, but for me there wasn’t even a hint of attraction there. Our issues were actually very similar though and it was a relief to chat to someone about mental health issues who had tried near as much to resolve their problems and was going through the same thing. A total contrast to previous group therapy sessions where everyone else was all so different. I suspected she was also an INJT/P like myself with a similar Big 5/SLOAN. I’ll have to ask her MBTI score in an email some time.

Overall, it was great to get out the house and meet someone new. It was good that we could relate on the mental health front and I imagine we’ll meet again. In the mean time, it might be good to email and discuss our progress (or lack of). I’m not sure what her plans are to change as she has a lot of genuine excuses and overall seems to have less opportunity than I do. At least I have my parent’s support, some money behind me, get to see my bro for a movie or gaming session once a week. Plus I feel that my social skills and lifestyle standards are more advanced than her, making things a little easier for me. In fact she’s very similar to my buddy Mr G, but perhaps more mature and a little more intelligent? The fact that she is similar means that I probably couldn’t expect to relate fully, have a proper laugh with or experience too much positivity. I’m all too aware how I can only cope with so much bitching and ‘life’s shit’ before I start feeling really down!

Kudos: Made the effort to meet someone new and made a new friend, if not acquaintance.

#2 Miss V

8pm: I met with a typical, “normal” girl from Plentyoffish. She was 6 years younger and lives about 30 minutes away. She seemed really nice- reasonably mature, intelligent and generally had all her shit together. She presented herself well and I liked the way she dressed! We had a few things in common but nothing like my best friend E, which is always disappointing. 99.9% of women aren’t gonna have as much in common with me as I’d ideally like, so it’s something I’m trying to come to terms with and not get caught up trying to look for that illusive 0.1% who totally get me and vice versa.

On the surface we seem pretty well matched so in theory she’d make a suitable girlfriend! The date went well, but I really don’t know if she would consider it ‘well’ enough to want to see me again. I’ve been on 4 or 5 other dates in the past which also went ‘well’, but didn’t end up amounting to anything, so I’m trying to downplay her value, the experience and not raise my hopes. I didn’t do any of the ‘kino’ or playful banter all the dating experts would advise on. To be honest, I just didn’t have the balls and also wouldn’t know how to work that into my semi-dry, semi-intellectual persona. If it went to a second date in a week or two, I’d need to make that my number 1 priority, risk the pulling back or rejection and put less importance in what I say for example.

Overall it was another move in a positive reaction. I’m exhausted from from all the social contact, but was worth the effort. It makes me appreciate the holes in my ‘game’ and gave me an opportunity to interact with the outside world instead of hiding away playing games or watching films. Kudos!

Metal Health Forum / Meet Up – Review

MHSUEP Stands for “Mental Health Service User Engagement Project”. Basically, it’s a local charity organization to help people with mental health problems. To quote from their website, their aim is:

“To collaboratively engage, empower and support people with mental health issues in Medway to build confidence and participation in the design and delivery of services, to have a voice and meet others in similar situations through the provision of various groups”

From what I can gather and to sum it up: the organization’s primary purpose is to facilitate a real-life bi-weekly forum whereby issues regarding local mental health services are discussed. The idea is to get feedback from people who have experienced local NHS health services so that these services can be improved. The organization’s secondary purpose is to provide occasional activities for mental health suffers to get them out the house, tackle isolation and be with like-minded people etc. These include ‘Art activities’ and a ‘Walk and talk’ session.


How does this relate to me?

I have had issues with depression, anxiety, been through the health system and hoped the MHSUEP would prove to be something I could be involved in, get me out the house and most of all, the chance to develop friendships without the need to bullshit about how happy and positive I am! I’m still at the early stages of my transformation, so while I’d love to just do the normal thing of striking up conversations at the gym or in clubs, I also don’t know if I’m ready for that. Or at least, meeting people this way takes a lot of pressure off.

Thoughts on the Forum:

It’s a semi-formal meet held every 2 weeks and lasts for one and a half hours. I’ve checked it out twice so far and it has definitely been worth attending. There’s an agenda and structure to each meet, which I love. Having topics to focus on and discuss, or listen to is so much better than a big free-for-all moan about our problems, like you might find in certain depression support groups for example.

The people there have one or two things in common with me although overall they are nothing like me! One thing we can typically all agree on is the inadequate way in which the health service is run! I’m not one to just bitch about it through ignorance, and I didn’t join up to complain nor try to make a difference! But it seems pretty clear how certain health services could be drastically improved yet haven’t been for no good reason, or there are huge gaps in care for patients which aren’t being provided. I’m not alone when I describe my experiences with the NHS or private treatment and therapy in general.

Typical example of an inadequacy: if someone is depressed to the point they seek help, the best case scenario for most people is 6-10 sessions of an hour a week CBT or counselling, then you’re left to fend for yourself whether you have recovered from the depression or not. Perhaps a small dose of therapy and maybe an antidepressant is enough to get the majority back on track..? I don’t know. What I have learned is that it’s not sufficient treatment for a lot of mental health sufferers, myself included. I appreciate money plays a big part in things and could discuss this issue in A LOT more detail, but suffice to say, when it comes down to it, sufferers of depression, anxiety and so on require long term support and such support is not being delivered or is difficult to find.

Regarding the other forum members: they all seem like nice enough people, but I don’t feel there is potential to build the kind of friendships I’d like. I just seem to live differently and have a different attitude to the other members. Perhaps I feel I’m above them as my standard of living and expectations of what I want from my life are higher? Perhaps my age and gender play a big part in my feelings of disconnection also?
I guess it’s not surprising that I can’t relate to, say, the more typical 45 year old female addict with 2 kids, work aspirations limited to her part time job as a cleaner and spends her free time reading celeb gossip magazines. I’m the complete opposite- A 29 year old single guy, no addictive behaviours, no kids, aspires to be a competent artist and designer who likes video games and philosophy!
[Hmm! My personality is an enigma even to myself as I just don’t seem to fit into any generic categories. I’ll cover that in future posts!]

Thoughts on the Art Activities:

It’s an informal meet held every week and lasts for one and a half hours. I’ve checked it out twice so far and it doesn’t offer me a great deal to be honest. I wanted an excuse to go somewhere new to chat, do some drawing, and be inspired but half the members I’ve met on these activity days don’t just have anxiety or depression issues, but a degree of learning difficulties too. Discussing quantum theory or philosophical, ethical debate isn’t something I can get stuck into when I’m sat next to a couple in their 50s slurping on cups of tea, farting, burping and failing to colour in between the lines of a children’s Disney colouring book! Lol. As someone who likes deep conversation and drawing to a near professional level, it’s a pretty funny contrast! Admittedly there are a few others who I could have a more regular conversation with although I don’t think it will be something I’ll want to attend on a regular basis if at all any more.

Thoughts on the Walk & Talk:

This was what I had originally enquired about when I joined the group, although I’ve yet to go on one of the walks. They’re on once a month so waiting for the next one to come around. Do I want to go on it already knowing the kind of people likely to attend? Hmm… not really. I’ll think about it.

Final Thoughts:

Its always a good thing to have these kinds of groups available to those who want to attend. It’s just a shame it doesn’t really cater for me personally- In an ideal world it would be a support group for single/lonely 18-40 year olds who are committed to transforming their lives and situation from a state of social anxiety and negative thoughts into social confidence and a positive attitude.
Instead, the current format mainly just gives it’s 40-50 year old (primarily) members some place to be for one and a half hours a week. That’s a start and better than nothing I guess. If I knew there was a need, I’d create my own support group!

Kudos to me for making the effort to check this thing out. It was a positive step in the right direction and you have to give these things a chance to know if they’re worth doing or not 🙂

In an indirect way I liked the fact I felt I was better than most of the members I’d met. I’m sure they all have their own talents and values, but I dressed better, I looked more attractive, I seemed more intelligent, more socially capable and considerate of other people. Yes, yes, it’s shallow and egoistical to think you’re ‘better’ than others and get pleasure from that kinda thing, but right now I don’t care. My self esteem is at a real low, so I am happy to boost it anyway I can, and perhaps later when I’m feeling more up to it, I can begin to find inner-peace and confidence without needing to stroke my ego by comparing myself to others worse off than me.

Friendship Feelers on Forums – The results!

To Recap: Two weeks ago I was attempting to meet new people via social anxiety internet forums. Did I find the support buddy I was looking for? 

Short answer: No.

Across 7 or 8 different forums I had about 20+ replies welcoming me to their online communities, and I really appreciate it. However, the idea of meeting up ‘in real life’ wasn’t a goal many others shared…

One forum member cynically suggested I’m wasting my time in attempting to be proactive and meet. He/she was probably right if my conclusion is anything to go by. I had an older lady offer to meet for a chat if she was ever in my area. That’s great! Although can I relate to her? I couldn’t help feel I’d probably have more in common with her teenage children! A few people said they might meet if they were closer, but that’s not much good.

The Social Anxiety UK Forums proved the most promising. There was even a section devoted to UK meets! Frustratingly they mostly only sparked interest from members living in bigger cities like London, Manchester and Glasgow.
I contributed my interest to a meet up within my county of residence. There was only a few other replies offering to meet, but that was all I needed for now! Although obviously not everyone was as keen to make the meeting idea a reality as the thread is slowly sinking to the bottom of the pile with me as the last poster having done my best to arrange a time and place to make something happen.

In addition to forum replies, I received a few private messages (mainly on the SAUK forum)~ A few people could really relate to my situation and where I was coming from and it was great to find people wanting to chat to me despite not living around the corner like I’d hope for. I’m not sure if I will make any lasting internet buddies out of these PMs though. Despite several PM exchanges with 2 or 3 members, it’s all gone a bit quiet and I’m yet to receive replies to the last messages I’d sent. Its a shame because we all seemed to have a lot in common and had our internet conversation continued for a few more weeks, I might have suggested I visit them. In such a scenario, we’d both get to meet which I’m sure would do us good plus I’d look at is as a mini weekend away with my own personal guide to show me the local sites 😀 Likewise I’d do the same for them if they wanted to visit near me.

Making friends is tough! I’m obviously going to need to put in even more effort. It’s seems so odd, because the people I’d chat to have a lot in common with me and I’m always polite, friendly, try to be positive, try to be funny when I can AND all while doing all the standard “good email communication” tactics like volunteering info about myself for them to reply back to and asking 2-4 questions per email so they’re never be stuck when it comes to thinking of something to write back with.

I really did give this approach my all and although I got a lot of positive feedback, I was ultimately unable to finish what I’d set out to do- to find like-minded, fellow anxiety or depression suffers on the net who also wanted to meet locally.
I’ll give it a bit more time and perhaps someone new will read my posts and something pro-active will eventually materialize from this? Time will tell.

Friendship Feelers on Forums

How do I go from having few friends and  feeling socially isolated to feeling socially abundant and comfortable with a cool group of people who accept my current shortcomings and want to hook up with someone similar?

I decided to put out a few feelers on depression and social anxiety based forums as that’s where I’m at right now and perhaps there would be others there who want to join me in a combined mission to improve our lives? I posted the following Thread:

Attempting to turn my life around for the better

I’m a 29 year old guy living in the sunny old south east of England. I’m a bright, considerate, nice guy who’s been seriously held back in life by bouts of depression and social anxiety.
I’ve read a lot of stories on this forum and can totally relate. I often feel totally consumed by negative thoughts and I’m determined to turn that around and work towards developing positive thinking habits. I appreciate that’s easier said than done, but have at times experienced short-lived positive thoughts, so at least know it is possible to feel good! I realize I desperately need to develop a strategy and physical habits to change my mind set.

At this moment in time I’m very isolated; jobless and have been for most of my life and without a parter or friends I can call on. My ambition is to eventually be successful in my work life and relationships and realize this process will take years of effort. One big thing I realize I need is social contact- people to talk to discuss problems but also want to work towards solutions.
I’ve always thought it would be great to meet up with similar people who are fed up with living a depressing life and being stuck in a rut and want to work on turning things around. If there’s anyone here who’d like to hook up, potentially develop a friendship and give each other support to achieving success in our lives or can suggest groups I could join to find like-minded people that would be really appreciated.

Thanks for reading 🙂

I wonder if it’s quite a cold, desperate way of going about the process of trying to cultivate relationships with other people, so my objective might not work. But then again, just maybe there will be someone who’s been waiting for a forum member to take the initiative to post up such a request? I don’t want to sit on my butt waiting several months, or even years to begin cultivating friendships!

I could try posting this on personal development or self improvement forums next as I suspect most people on a typical depression or anxiety forum are too caught up in their own misery and worries to put themselves forward. I’ve been there and unfortunately might even go back there myself in the future, so I wouldn’t blame anyone for thinking I’m intruding in their world.

I realize the ‘normal’ route to meeting people would be dating sites, sports clubs or hobby classes, although those things can be a pretty big strain for me as I’d feel the need to act confident and assertive from the offset, when instead I’d rather hook up with someone like me who is also starting off at the bottom and wants to give and be given support in pushing themselves to be assertive and act confident in new situations.

To sum up: I am hoping to find a transformation support buddy from this!

[Note: it took 5 hours to sign up to 8 forums and post my thread! I thought it’d only take an hour]